December 29, 2008 4:00 AM PST

High hopes at Yahoo, Intel for Internet-enabled TV

by Stephen Shankland
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Yahoo Widget Channel for TV

Yahoo's Widget Channel software for TVs and video devices shows a link to Yahoo's Flickr photo-sharing site, stock prices, and an advertisement. Intel, Yahoo, and several partners will show the technology off at CES 2009.

(Credit: Yahoo)

Yahoo and Intel built their success upon widespread use of personal computers, but the two companies hope products to be shown at the Consumer Electronics Show in January will mark the beginning of their Internet-fueled expansion to the world of TV as well.

The two companies have attracted several significant manufacturing and content allies in the attempt to bring new smarts and interactivity to a part of the electronics world that has remained a more passive part of people's digital lives. Intel and Yahoo showed off Net-enabled TV prototypes in August, but the companies' technology will be presented in more finished form at the electronics show within products by Samsung, Toshiba, and a number of new partners that have signed on since the debut.

What exactly are they trying to achieve? For Yahoo, it's establishment of the Widget Channel, a software foundation that can house programs for browsing photos, using the Internet's abundant socially connected services, watching YouTube videos, or digging deeper into TV shows--and through which Yahoo will be able to show advertisements. For Intel, it's a foothold in an industry whose microprocessors have typically been cheaper, less powerful, and less power-hungry.

Yahoo is confident the products will catch on, in part because it's set "very low" licensing requirements, said Patrick Barry, vice president of Yahoo's Connected TV initiative.

"We do not see it as a niche offering in a few high-end models. We see this as moving into the mainstream. In 2009 we're going to see good penetration into the product lineups of the consumer electronics companies," Barry said. "Beginning in 2010, I think, you're going to see Internet-connected consumer electronics devices dominating the lineup."

But for both companies, TVs are terra incognita. "We emerged from the ocean of the PC," Barry said.

An anthropologist's view
Despite years of effort, the idea to put media-centric PCs in the living room hasn't caught on widely. But Intel, stung by its poorly received Viiv brand, has been taking the challenge seriously.

It even dispatched its top anthropologist--yes, the chipmaker employs anthropologists--to carefully study how people use TVs. In other words, Intel is trying to adapt to reality, not foist its ideas on an unwilling market.

Some people like to watch TV, but anthropologist Genevieve Bell, director of user experience for Intel, likes to watch people watching TV. Specifically, Intel concluded that unlike the PC, TVs are social. People watch it together, and what they watch turns into what they talk about. Another difference from PCs: it must be simple and reliable, she said.

When bringing the Internet to the TV, "You couldn't just turn it into a PC," she said.

And it's pretty obvious why those not in the TV market would be angling for a piece of the action. People in the U.S. spend about 5 times more time watching TV than using a computer, Bell said. Globally, it's a factor of 25; unusually, the TV and PC time is at parity in Israel, perhaps because of communication habits, she added.

More ads
For decades, people have been accustomed to advertising-supported television. The Widget Channel technology opens up some new horizons for Yahoo, though Barry said the company isn't going to rush to plaster sponsorships over the new interface.

"We have a lot of support from the advertising community, but we're focused on the consumer now," Barry said. "What you'll see initially is us trying to fall all over ourselves trying to make the consumer happy. The advertisers understand that." He wouldn't comment on when advertising will be launched with the technology.

Although Yahoo will eventually show ads, it won't have a lock on them. Barry said: "We are not going to be locking down anything from a walled garden perspective, including monetization. We get a nice advantage, knowing the ins and outs, but we will not limit the platform to being addressable by us."

There are many opportunities for ads, including the dock that can be shown across the bottom of the TV screen and in pages that fill the screen.

The Widget Channel technology is based on the Widget Engine software Yahoo got in 2005 with its acquisition of Konfabulator, and it lets programmers write a wide variety of applications.

Course corrections
Intel learned from initial testing of the TV technology, Bell said. For one thing, the company found that people didn't like the Widget Channel controls appearing on the left edge of the screen, one option the companies had demonstrated. Instead, people prefer the bottom, where they're accustomed to seeing text already.

Widget Channel dock

Intel research found that people didn't like the left-side Widget Channel dock. (Click to enlarge.)

(Credit: Yahoo)

For another, she said, people expressed a powerful desire for a big button to make the software go away in one fell swoop--no menus or arrow keys or complication--so they could get back to watching TV when they wanted. That big button is also used to activate the Widget Channel.

And nobody wanted yet another remote control.

To help chart its long-term course, Intel gauged consumer sentiment in part by asking what people thought the future of TV would look like. People's answers generally fit into a few categories:

• Something that would provide relevant information in real time, such as the weather right before heading to a sporting event.

• Something that would connect them to other people they care about, a variation of social networking.

• Something that would let them participate more with what they're watching, for example by figuring out where a show's cast members already had acted, or finding, rating, and sorting content.

Few, though, wanted a full-on Web browser, nor a keyboard to clutter up the room.

Yahoo sees the same fallow ground as Intel in the market.

TV innovations that have succeeded focused on screen size, image fidelity, and flat-screen technology, Barry said. "But the consumer electronics industry has not really explored the...connectivity that the Internet provides."

Stephen Shankland writes about a wide range of technology and products, but has a particular focus on browsers and digital photography. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered Google, Yahoo, servers, supercomputing, Linux and open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/stshank.
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by Joetwopointoh December 29, 2008 6:06 AM PST
How unfortunate that companies are putting so many eggs into the streaming video basket at the same time that broadband providers across the United states are implementing bandwidth usage CAPS and on the fly bandwidth throttling (as is the case with Comcast) in order to squeeze still more customers into their rapidly dwindling aging infrastructures

Example, use Comcast and want to try the latest and greatest HD content on Youtube? Fat chance unless you're willing to watch it buffer for 15 minutes in order to play back a 5 minute HD video clip.
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by valeriod December 29, 2008 10:55 AM PST
The Netflix/Roku combination works really well right now. Do your seach/selection/programming on the PC and use a simple interface to navigate on your TV.

I think that evolving this model to add more functionality yet keeping the TV interface simple is the key.

You could even have an iPhone or Android app to do the seach/selection/programming in front on the TV but never on the TV itself.
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by JCPayne December 29, 2008 11:25 AM PST
I have to agree partly with Joetwopointoh. This is the wrong- time for this technology. The train long ago left the station on this.
Microsoft has tried this technology already. It was called WEBTV. and MSN TV2. It got nowhere. Further more broadband providers have been putting in place caps. Or rolling out their own offers of this. Verizon is building it into their FiOS TV. AT&T is working with 2Wire to implement Homezones or something like that. And other like DirecTV have come up with DirecTV Game Lounge and so on... Additionally there are providers that did this that have already gone belly up. GTE (The forerunner to Verizon) had something called mainStreet USA that was deployed over parts of MediaOne's cable TV network and elsewhere and it didn't quite catch on either. Alternately Apple came out with AppleTV and it has remained stagnant since rushing out of the gate. If Yahoo wants to blow the last of their money on something that wont get off the ground I say so be it. But this isn't enough of a convergence of TV and Computer to warrant writing home about.
Additionally you already have TV going past big bulky units and heading for mobile phone devices I think Yahoo is about 10-12 years too late on this it seems like something that would have died during Web 1.0.
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by The_Pied_Pipes January 21, 2009 1:21 AM PST
A few valid points here, but most of them are arguments with a point of reference lodged in the past. The fact is that speed and user experience have increased dramatically recently, and I'd wager that at some point, there will be a turning point where the expected behaviour of being online and watching TV *will* merge.

It may be hard for older consumers to imagine, because they are not typically the ones 'mutitasking' with laptops *whilst* watching TV. But if more young people come to experience watching TV whilst being online, they will one day ask 'why can't I just use one interface for all this?'

And Yahoo! and Intel are betting that that moment is coming soon. So am I.
by JCPayne December 29, 2008 11:27 AM PST
Here's a better idea Yahoo. Take whatever money you have left. Buyup Sprint. (So that you would actually own some broadband pipeline under your belt. (e.g. a capitive audience that you can make money off of) then launch something for your customers.
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by Penguinisto December 29, 2008 11:55 AM PST
@Valeriod: This is a lot bigger than simply building a computer that you latch onto a television. NDA prevents me from saying how big (I used to work for Intel on this very project), but seriously - it's a whole different world than the days of plugging in a computer or some set-top self-contained box.

@JCPayne: You are partially right - but MSNTV and WebTV (which BTW are the same thing, and MSFT invented neither one, as they had simply bought WebTV and expanded on that). Where Microsoft failed was that the thing required a keyboard to use (and not just a simple remote control). It also failed because it came out when television resolution was simple (and grainy) NTSC/PAL (648x486), when computer monitors could already by that time show 1280x1024. HDTVs can do a lot better in the sharpness department nowadays.

Microsoft also tried something similar by combining some of WebTV's functions with DVR, calling it UltimateTV - but wound up stomping on a few of TiVO's patents and got slapped down for it.

AppleTV (and Windows MCE) are also different - Apple TV comes the closest, as it has a remote control, but it also requires a keyboard/mouse.

HTH a bit, folks (I know it probably doesn't, but...)

/P
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by snarlydude December 29, 2008 5:05 PM PST
How come you guys aren't talking about the underground HTPC phenomenon? I hacked up an old PC a few years ago running the open source Media Portal software (mostly because it will play ANYTHING) and isn't tied to ITunes like AppleTV, and it does timeshifting (a'la Tivo) and everything. Now I've finally got a proper nice Antec home theater case and a proper PC that can play and record multiple streams of 1080p.

The main problem with this is that it is a MASSIVE pain in the ass to set up a Home Theater PC to work smoothly, have a proper working remote and keyboard and be reliable. Once it does though it is heaven. I have resorted to specialty shops and vendors to help me set it up despite my pc savvy-ness just because it is such a pain in the neck. And even they aren't making seamless devices.

My point here is that the Home Theater PC is indeed a viable and very entertaining and useful consumer electronic device and has a very good future. But someone XBox, Apple, Intel, Yahoo, Slingbox? anyone needs to step up to the plate and make the ultimate EASY-TO-SETUP HTPC, and if they do it will sell like wildfire, they will OWN the living room globally and be a multi-billion dollar corporation! We're waiting. Hurry up.

Also as an aside, these current HTPCs are used by enthusiasts and people who download huge amounts of TV shows who aren't willing to be shackled by the constraints of 15 minute commercial blocks, lame or constantly switching broadcaster schedules, DRM and low quality purchaseable content online, and monopolistic cable companies who provide overpriced poor service. Give the public high-quality 1080p/720p content of the shows they like without commercials in an easy to use non-DRM purchasable format for a reasonable price and most people would gladly buy it than go through the hassle of torrents or trading files with Tivo friends....

This is 2009 practically. Where the hell is my reliable Living Room PC and flying car for that matter!! ;-)
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by Penguinisto December 29, 2008 5:31 PM PST
You mean MythTV, right? Been there, done that, beat the unholy crap out of Postgres to get it.

Get a shoebox PC, pack it with a humongous hard drive, and an HDTV video card... with Linux, you can afford to put it all together and spare enough for a wireless keyboard and mouse... costs about the same as a commercial solution, and you get the bonus of no DRM. For a few bucks more, you can add a Blu-Ray player (about $150 or so nowadays).

/P
by stanorlaski December 30, 2008 12:35 PM PST
To me the killer HTPC app is Media Center, if only MS made it so that it had all the major TV content added (like a Hulu) it is a no brainer using your Xbox as an extender. Right now there is just not much internet content on Vista Media Center. Why can't they show these with limited ads just like Hulu does?

btw, MythTV the ultimate answer? Seriously? I have dealt with GBPvr for several years now with an Hauppauge MVP, it's better than anything else out there, but I am definitely giving it faint praise! It is only for the tinkerer.
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by jonathan_bennion January 2, 2009 6:19 AM PST
At the moment, I can only see 6 channels at once when I page down through infinite menus (out of over 1,000 channels), which is becoming existentialist...

If Yahoo's Connected TV initiative people could sell a new interface to digital cable companies for browsing TV channels, before Wiimotes replace current remote controls to accomplish same cool thing, Yahoo could score a coup.
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by iBuzz January 4, 2009 8:15 PM PST
This looks like it's just Konfabulator running on a TV. Yawn. Widgets didn't really catch on with the PC desktop (except for perhaps weather and stocks), so why do they believe TV will be any different? Do I really need this crap running on my TV and taking up screen real estate and providing distractions around the periphery of what I'm trying to watch? Guess what Yahoo... if I want to know what the weather forecast is or how my stocks are doing while I'm watching TV, I'll just pick up my iPhone.
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